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    Eaglemoss Military Watches Collection.

    Issue 8 - 1950s British Army (British Soldier)

    In the early 1940s the British Ministry of Defence drew up new specifications for a replacement for the British Army Trade Pattern watch (ATP), the new watch would be called the Waterproof Wrist Watch or WWW.

    12 Swiss manufacturers supplied these watches including Longines, Omega, IWC and Jeager Le Coultre.
    There were such large numbers purchased that they continued to be issued from 1945 right through until the early 1990s



    Case
    Polished 37mm, 39.5mm with crown, 44.4mm lug to lug, 8.4mm deep.
    Case back engraved with "1950s British Army". 31mm flat glass.
    Dial
    Black dial with white minute markers and biege Hour marks on the outside ring, White arabic Numerals.
    Printed on, non functional seconds dial and hand at 6 o'clock
    Chrome and White straight hours and minutes hands with triangular point.
    Lume on minute and hour hands only.
    Strap
    Strap
    18mm black PU leather strap, polished Buckle, aprox 175-220mm fitting



    NB:The inclusion of both the centre sweep hand and fake seconds dial caused a huge backlash against the whole collection, For subscribers the watch was packaged along with the RNAS pocket watch, which actually featured a functioning sub dial using a similarly sized movement, so the inclusion of a working sub dial would not have been difficult to achieve.

    Eaglemoss made statements assuring that no further fake dials would be produced. which has been the case to date but the reputation of the collection has suffered.

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    Issue 9 - 1940s Japanese Airman

    Produced for the Japanese Imperial Navy by the Seikosha watch company, originals are extremely rare and command high prices particularly in the Japanese market.
    Japanese pilots where the elite, and the training programme rigorous and often brutal, the numbers of pilots that qualified could not keep up with the losses they suffered.




    Case
    48.1mm plated and polished finish. folded detail finish around bezel. 501mm including crown, 546mm lug to lug, 9.4mm deep. 43.6mm interior aperture.
    6mm grooved crown. 41.5mm flat glass.
    case back engraved with “1940s Japanese Pilot".
    Dial
    43mm black painted dial with red seconds markers and white Arabic numbers at 5 sec/min intervals on the outside ring.
    On a smaller secondary scale white markers and Yellow and White vintage style Arabic hour numerals on the inner ring
    White vintage style hours and minutes hands with Breguet Pomme style point. Straight white seconds hand.
    There is no luminous effect anywhere on this watch.
    Standard EM Epson AL55a movement.
    Strap
    24mm dark tan leather, tapers slightly to a 22mm polished buckle, aprox 180-220mm fitting, note the watch lugs are small and flat on a large case, so measurements will be inaccurate on smaller size wrists.
    Originally these watches were made to be worn over a thick flight suit and came on a leather strap that could wrap around a bare wrist twice over.



    Side by side with the Issue 2 German Luftwaffe watch. From the same era, and intended for the same function, the two are very similar in design and both have the B-Uhr, type-B style dial. The Japanese watch is slightly bigger overall.

    The Seikosha watch has refined the German design and given it a distinctly Japanese quality. A number of companies produce high quality reproduction versions of this watch type.


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    Issue 10 - 1960s British RAF/Army.

    The issue depicts the classic British military watch, the Smith W10. The W10 was an evolution of an earlier Smith watch, and many collectors believe it borrowed heavily from the the Swiss made Jeager LeCoultre movement, a former LeCoultre employee was employed by Smith as technical director.




    Case.
    39mm brushed finish with polished bezel, 41.2mm with crown, 50.6mm lug to lug, 9.4mm deep.
    Case back engraved with "1960s British RAF". 33.3mm flat glass.
    Dial.
    Black dial with white seconds/minutes markers and green accents at hour points on the outside ring.
    White Arabic hour numerals with a green triangle at 12o'clock, white triangle logo on lower quarter of dial.
    Pencil type chromed hours and minutes hands with lume on full length and triangular point. Straight white seconds hand.
    Strap.
    20mm khaki nylon strap, polished Buckle, aprox 180-220mm fitting.



    NB: This may be peculiar to my example but the holes for the spring bars are at the mid point of the lugs making it quite a tight fit for even a moderately thin strap, the striped NATO in the picture below, for example, just fits.

    I have also included a side by side with to earlier issue 8 watch and the subscriber RAF watch for comparison.



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    Issue 11 - 1950s French Foreign Legion

    After the Second World War Germany was required to make war reparations to France. As part of this the German firm of Stowa produced two runs of watches, some of which were used by the French Foreign Legion. Including their Paratroopers. I asume that this watch is a replica of those Stowa watches.




    Case
    Polished 34.7mm rounded bezel, 6.1mm with crown, 39.5mm lug to lug, 8.1mm deep.
    Case back engraved with "1950s French Foreign Legion". 28.5mm flat glass.
    NB: The lugs are quite short and the spring bars appear to have been intentionally bent to allow fitting of the strap. This can only be attributed to very poor design specification by Eaglemoss.
    Dial
    Black dial with white minute markers including small Arabic numerals at 5 minute intervals. White Arabic hour numerals
    Chrome, White filled, tapered hours and minutes hands. Slim straight red seconds hand.Lume on minute and hour hands only.
    Strap
    18mm grey coloured, nylon strap, polished Buckle, aprox 170-215mm fitting



    Size comparison with issues 8 British RAF and 10 British Army




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    Issue 12 - 1940s British Paratrooper

    The Watch described in this issue seems to be very rare. The British Army needed a water and shock resistant watch, so they had a batch of Longines movements from stock put into custom cases, The new cases were nicknamed ’Tuna Cans”, larger, and designed to be more shock resistant, they also had a screw down crown to aid water resistance. It was only issued in small numbers and later recalled due to the old Luminous paint decaying into powder and fouling the movement.




    Case
    Sandblast finish "tuna can" case 36.4mm, 37.6mm with crown, 43.5mm lug to lug, 10mm deep.
    Case back engraved with description of the watch. 29.8mm flat glass.
    Dial
    White dial with Black minute scale at outer edge, including small luminous green marks at 5 minute intervals. Black Arabic hour numerals 1 to 12 with an inner ring of Red hour marks to indicating 24 hour scale
    Chrome, White filled, hours and minutes hands triangular point. Slim straight chrome seconds hand. Lume on minute and hour hands only.
    Strap
    18mm brown leather strap, tapers to polished 16 mm Buckle, aprox 175-215mm fitting





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    Issue 13 - 1960s German Naval Commando

    This watch is based on the classic Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. One of the worlds best regarded deep sea watches. Various models of the fifty fathoms were issued to the West German Bundeswehr Kampfschwimmers (German Navy Combat divers) from the late sixties right through to the mid eighties. The MWC version looks like a mix of several models from the period.




    Case
    Polished finish 40mm, 41.5mm with crown, 45.2mm lug to lug, 10.7mm deep.
    Case back engraved with "1960s German Naval Commander" note the description is incorrectly spelled as "Commander" not "Commando". 31.5mm flat glass.
    Non rotating 40.6mm bezel. Black inlay with silver coloured minute and metallic green 5 minute markers.
    Dial
    Black dial with White minute marker ring. Green embossed kite shape indicator mark at 12, rectangles at quarter hour and circles at intermediate 5 minute intervals. There is some lume on the hour markers but very minimal brightness.
    Green filled, straight, hours and minutes hands with triangular point. Slim straight chrome seconds hand with green arrow tip. Lume on minute and hour hands and seconds hand tip.
    Strap
    20mm black nylon strap, polished buckle, aprox 180-225mm fitting.


    Note: The case form and strap are identical to the issue 6 French Seaman, below is comparison picture and another with issue 3 British SBS included.




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    Issue 14 - 1960s Israeli Naval Commando

    The watch depicted in issue 14 is a representation of an Eterna KonTiki Super watch, it was a preferred watch of The Israeli Navy Special Forces Unit, Shayatet 13. Members of this elite unit go through a two year programme that produces a highly trained soldier capable of operations on land, air and sea, both surface and underwater.



    Case
    Polished 43mm case, 45mm with crown, 52.8mm lug to lug, 10mm deep, 38.2mm interior aperture.
    The back case description is incorrectly spelled as "Commander" not "Commando". 33.7mm flat glass.
    Non rotating bezel, black inlay with silver coloured marks and Roman numerals at 10 minute intervals.
    Dial
    Black 34.5mm dial with white minute markers on the outside ring and green triangular hour marks on the inside ring.
    Chrome green filled hands. Triangular tips, plain chrome seconds hand
    Lume on minute and hour hands only.
    Strap
    20mm Sand coloured, nylon strap, white stitching, polished Buckle, aprox 180-225mm fitting.




    Note:
    Some owners have noted a brown discolouration on the case, left after removing the 'pull' sticker from the watch. I found mine also had the mark, this was easily removed in a few seconds using a specialist stainless steel polishing cloth. However the discolouration worsened over time, I would advise reporting any such tarnishing to Eaglemoss as soon as possible.

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    Special edition 2 1970s Australian Naval Diver

    The second Special edition watch is an impressive looking piece, and has a functional bezel and date window. So far I have been unable to identify what Eaglemoss based it on, although it is reminiscent of the Certina DS-3 super PH1000M, or perhaps an early model Aquadive watch.




    Brushed 45.2mm case, 48.2mm with crown, 48.1mm lug to lug, 17mm deep (total).
    Inner press fitted polished case liner, 2mm standoff between main body and bezel.
    Deep face, 6mm from glass to face, 32mm face aperture, + 6mm face to back
    36.6mm movement aperture,
    Plated, unidirectional rotating bezel 42mm, 4mm grooved edge, 60 click. 3mm black inlay with silver coloured minute scale, roman numerals at 5 minute intervals
    33mm flat glass, Steel back stamped with description of the watch.
    Dial
    Black dial with white minute/seconds markers on the outside ring. Green printed rectangle hour marks.
    Movement is a miyota 2115. Hacking movement, with functional date window at 3o’clock position. Black Numerals on white background.
    Chromed hands with Green lume. Hours hand is sword blade shaped and the minutes hand straight with triangular tip. Seconds hand chromed with circular lume pip.
    Strap
    22mm Folded Steel bracelet, central narrow links polished, outer links brushed, narrows slightly to a 20mm 'button release' deployment clasp, 6 removable links, fit aprox 175-220mm, each link aprox 6.5mm + 5.5mm in clasp



    With quite an impressive case I found the dial itself to be quite a disappointment, the hands are a little short for the dial, the dial is very flat, the earlier SBS, french and German Commando watches had embossing.
    Bracelet finish is quite loose, and poorly folded, especially the removable links, with hard edges it can feel a little ’sharp'. It also rattles quite a lot.
    For anybody wanting to swap onto another strap there is less than 0.5mm gap between the case and spring bar, reducing options considerably. I did get one NATO on but it took quite a while and did put a lot of load on the spring bars.

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    Issue 15 - 1950s British Air Force

    In 1953 Omega supplied a batch of Chronometer certified antimagnetic watches with radium painted dials, to the British RAF.
    Known to collectors as the Omega '53, the watch had a limited production run and was recalled to have tritium dials retrofitted.
    Original Omega 53s are rare, and the few remaining Radium dialled examples are even more expensive.




    Case
    Polished 36mm case, 38mm with crown, 42.7mm lug to lug, 9.4mm deep.
    Case back engraved with description of the watch. 29.5mm flat glass.
    Dial
    30.5mm Black dial with white minute marker scale with pale green markers at 5 minute intervals, White Arabic hour numerals
    Chrome, green filled, straight hours and minutes hands. Slim straight chrome seconds hand.Lume on minute and hour hands only.
    Strap
    18mm black canvas effect strap with PU backing, narrows to polished 16 mm buckle, aprox 175-220mm fitting



    The British pilots watches a have featured a few times in the collection.

    Although based on watches from different Swiss manufacturers, these three were all produced to a specification laid down by the British military and look very similar.

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    Issue 16 - 1950s Russian Airman

    This watch is based one that was issued to all graduates of the Orenburg pilots school. The First Moscow Watch Factory "Sturmanskie" (navigator).
    Manufacture of this early Centre Seconds watch was made possible after the purchase of automated equipment from the French watchmaker, LIP.
    Famously this watch was worn by the first man in space, Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin.



    Case
    Brushed SS 33mm case, 35.3mm with crown, 42mm lug to lug, 8.3mm deep.
    Case back engraved with description of the watch. 29.2mm flat glass.
    NB: The inscription on the Case back reads "1950s Russian Astronaut" not more correctly 'Airman', or even 'Cosmonaut'.
    Of course Russia didn't have astronauts at all, The USA had the 'Astronauts'.
    It is this continued poor attention to detail that detracts from the collection.
    Dial
    Cream coloured dial black minute scale around outer ring. Arabic hour numerals, off white with black border.
    'Moderne' style hours and minutes hands, gloss black border with green infill. Slim straight gloss red seconds hand.
    Lume on minute and hour hands only.
    Strap
    16mm brown leather strap, narrows to 14mm Brushed Buckle, aprox 170-215mm fitting.



    I often feel that the dials can be a little bland, a small 'Eaglemoss' logo would enhance many of the dials greatly.
    Although logos are generally copyright Eaglemoss have copied logos before, the tank on the issue 4 as an example.
    On this watch something similar to the stylised star and wings, like the one on this replica 40th anniversary Sturmanskie, would have been very nice in my opinion.

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