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    Question Tudor Submariner: would this be advisable?

    OK, I must admit I've lost my grip on watch prices, especially certain vintage ones. Daytonas, and blue Tudor Subs, for example. I've never really had a grail, per se, but I am seriously Jonesing for a blue Tudor Submariner (this is almost wholly your fault, Jeep99Dad!). I'm not in a headlong rush to do the deed, but I'd like your advice if a favourable deal should come along:
    -would a Z-series Rolex Explorer II, in V/good condition, with box and all papers, be a good trade for a similar-condition blue Tudor snowflake Sub? Or a later blue Tudor Sub with the Mercedes handset and dial?

    Quality/movement differences aside, it seems to me that most Explorer IIs, nice as they are, are rather common, whereas blue Tudor Subs are much less so (and also have a cult-like status) and thus command higher prices.

    So...should I run across such a deal and the seller be willing to trade, would my Z-series Explorer II be an adviseable trade for a blue Tudor Sub? Thoughts?


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    Oh man, usually these advice threads are easy, but this got way too technical for me. So I'm going to go ahead and say yeah, it's a great idea and a perfect trade. Do it!

    Or, in the alternative, no, it's not a good trade, you shouldn't do it.




    (Although my concern with vintage watches is always practical; will they be water resistant and if not, what would it cost to get them to be water resistant?)

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    Not sure if this'll be of any help, but I'm seeing Tudor Subs go from anywhere between $3,500 to five or six grand AUD these days. Kind'a takes the shine off them when they get to those prices. The snowflake handed models naturally fetch the higher prices. Even more so if they're ex-French Navy models. Although, don't take my word as gospel. Been a few years since I looked these up in any detail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    Oh man, usually these advice threads are easy, but this got way too technical for me. So I'm going to go ahead and say yeah, it's a great idea and a perfect trade. Do it!

    Or, in the alternative, no, it's not a good trade, you shouldn't do it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Raza View Post
    Although my concern with vintage watches is always practical; will they be water resistant and if not, what would it cost to get them to be water resistant?)
    I've taken this into account. At least two of the local watchmakers I use can replace seals and water test for ~$100; a nominal amount which I'm happy to absorb.
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    I've taken this into account. At least two of the local watchmakers I use can replace seals and water test for ~$100; a nominal amount which I'm happy to absorb.
    That only works if the overall condition of the watch is still able to keep the original WR, even with new seals. Previous excessive polishing / deformation of the case / crown may - and I've seen it happen - severely compromise the WR of an otherwise perfectly acceptable watch.

    Nowadays, I'm becoming more and more picky when it comes to vintages I intend to wear on a daily basis without too much worry. Have seen too many failures; I'm becoming a bit OCD, I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teeritz View Post
    Not sure if this'll be of any help, but I'm seeing Tudor Subs go from anywhere between $3,500 to five or six grand AUD these days. Kind'a takes the shine off them when they get to those prices. The snowflake handed models naturally fetch the higher prices. Even more so if they're ex-French Navy models. Although, don't take my word as gospel. Been a few years since I looked these up in any detail.
    I wholeheartedly agree; certain vintage prices are just silly, but then so are current prices for a whole lot of contemporary watches. But sometimes when one wants something bad enough, it just doesn't matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by CFR View Post
    That only works if the overall condition of the watch is still able to keep the original WR, even with new seals. Previous excessive polishing / deformation of the case / crown may - and I've seen it happen - severely compromise the WR of an otherwise perfectly acceptable watch.
    Nowadays, I'm becoming more and more picky when it comes to vintages I intend to wear on a daily basis without too much worry. Have seen too many failures; I'm becoming a bit OCD, I guess...
    This is an intersesting point, and I agree to a point. So much depends on the watch itself. For instance, two personal examples:
    -my dad's old 7804 Tudor Oyster from 1952. All seals are still available, as was a new tube, and crystal (and he saved the original crown by replacing the washer in it). Same with my 70's vintage Orient King Diver, although we didn't replace the original crystal. . Both watches water-tested well beyond their original specs.
    I get what you're saying, C: I'm picky too, but I really can't see how a robust case can be deformed without destroying the entire watch. And especially something thick like a Sub's case. Crowns, tubes....all can be replaced.

    Maybe I'm missing something, but water resistance in good vintage watches has not been a problem for me.


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    Ok, so I did a quick check on Chrono24 and unless you're after one of the rare Tudor models (most from the 60s-70s) your Explorer (from 2006, I suppose) would have a higher selling price. But if you prefer one of those rarer Tudor Subs, things can get pretty expensive...and pretty insane. There. I said it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFR View Post
    Ok, so I did a quick check on Chrono24 and unless you're after one of the rare Tudor models (most from the 60s-70s) your Explorer (from 2006, I suppose) would have a higher selling price. But if you prefer one of those rarer Tudor Subs, things can get pretty expensive...and pretty insane. There. I said it.
    Yes, I know. And the low Canadian dollar isn't helping right now. Maybe this project should wait awhile....
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    Quote Originally Posted by popoki nui View Post
    Yes, I know. And the low Canadian dollar isn't helping right now. Maybe this project should wait awhile....
    Very wise, if I may say so. And this also proves beyond any reasonable doubt, that I'm a lousy enabler

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFR View Post
    Very wise, if I may say so. And this also proves beyond any reasonable doubt, that I'm a lousy enabler
    Ha! You have no idea just how good an enabler you are. It's only by the most focused resistance that I haven't gone out and purchased about half of the watches you have in your collection, for mine.

    And, I can't recall ever being accused af being wise, but thanks!
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