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    **** So Russian quartz you say ****

    well I was looking on the bay and came across some old 80's Russian quartz watches I have one I got here


    which is a caba from the 2nd watch factory I think but could be else wear from the early 80's .






    I have a raketa on the way if I can fix if not. I got an ok case and a ok dial lol that will get franked at some point haha will do a thread when it arrives


    So while trying to find out more I have gather snippets along the way like this from slava watch factory also know as the 2nd watch factory ( I think or it could be that the 2nd watch factory hold the slave line maybe would be a bit more correct ? )




    Order of the October Revolution to the 50th anniversary of the plant in 1974 was the high evaluation of the merits of the state team in the development of the watch industry. In the same year at the international exhibition in Brno wristwatch "Glory" caliber 24 mm were awarded the gold medal. A similar medal was won in the next year at the International Fair in Leipzig.Congratulations


    The following year rent for use of production and warehouse building and garage-transport department of the plant on the street Avimotornoy.


    In 1976 2MCHZ nominated for the All-Union Exhibition of Economic Achievements board of honour.


    In the same year produced the first commercial batch of quartz watches fashion. 3050 marks a new stage in the development of household clocks in which the clock on the new principles of action has finally won his place in the nomenclature of household clocks. However, in view of the fundamentally povyh approaches their production technology compared with mechanical clocks, it was still quite long start crisis, not only domestic but worldwide, and the hourly production.


    Presentation of plaque 2MCHZWith the development of quartz watches in our country, in the opinion of the author, has been used very successfully interplant cooperation to ensure the original, compared with mechanical clock nodes (blocks), the individual elements and details, which were taken into account during the development of the characteristics of each of the watch factory. Thus, integrated circuits and electronic components of all provided Minsk Watch Plant (in Minsk is the largest in the Union Association for the production of microelectronics "Integral"); at Uglich watch factory quartz resonators have been mastered, the first violin in the development of the future who plays CEO MPO "2MCHZ" Korolev VM Factory had a great experience in processing time of stones and a branch of Uglich NIIChasproma was some kind of scientific & D base. Kusinsk plant precise technical stones became the base for the production of magnets for stepper motors, silicon wafers for integrated circuits and power supplies.


    http://slava.su/istorija-chasovogo-z...nie-relsi.html


    So we know that they started to do russian quartz right at the end of the 70's I found this site which does a list here.
    http://www.ussrtime.com/cgi-bin/show.pl?search=quartz




    So I have found that raketa and slava /caba did them.


    I would assume poljot did. I do know in about 2006 vostok did some quartz with I think it was a Seiko/Epsom movement some quote Miyota but think it was Epsom in my opinion but that is not set in stone could have been both ?




    have you seen other's think sekonda probably would have done some but so I have only seen the caba and the raketa at the minute would love to see others if you have them or know of them






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    http://www.ussrtime.com/cgi-bin/show.pl?search=quartz
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    ID Photo Dial ID Factory Date Caliber Serial Comment
    0106 Chaika Uglich Watch Factory 1988-1990 2256 - - quartz movement
    - Propaganda themed dial; Perestroika
    0161 Slava 2nd Moscow Watch Factory Late 1980s 3056A quartzmovement - - Propaganda themed dial
    0182 Slava 2nd Moscow Watch Factory - - quartzmovement 52356
    0385 Raketa Petrodworzowy Watch Factory 1980s 2356
    quartz
    - - Medical watch; measures pulse rate. Start at noon, count 15 pulse beats, second hand indicates pulse rate.
    - quartz movement.
    0389 Chaika quartz Uglich Watch Factory 1970s 3050 - """quartz Resonator"" on back cover"
    0395 Luch

    (Lutsch)
    Minsk Watch Factory 1970s 3055
    (18 jewels)
    - - One of the first Soviet electromechanical watches.
    - Balance wheel drive system regulated by quartz oscillator.
    - See also No. 1171.
    0417 Chaika Uglich Watch Factory 1970s-1980s 2356 quartz - - Medical watch; measures pulse rate. Start at noon, count 15 pulse beats, second hand indicates pulse rate.
    0553 Chaika Uglich Watch Factory 1970s 3050
    Electro-mechanical
    807008
    (on back cover)
    - "quartz resonator" on back cover.
    - Early quartz watch.
    0622 Slava
    Transistor
    2nd Moscow Watch Factory Late 1960s 0874 14050 -Exact copy of the Bulova Accutron 214, the world's first electric 'tuning fork' watch, introduced in 1960 (precedes quartz watches).
    - Extremely rare; produced in very small numbers. Most estimates state less than 1000.
    - Inscribed: ‘’To V.S. Prokopets from his battle friends. August 2, 1970’’
    - Likely this is Lt. Col. Valentin Prokopets, commanding officer of a Soviet SAM missile air defense team targeting American B-52's over North Vietnam and Cambodia in the late 1960s. He was a specialist in the integration of radar tracking information fed to SAM missile launch sites.
    - According to a 1st Moscow Watch Factory employee I recently interviewed, this caliber was pirated from Bulova using reverse engineering in an act of patent infringement.
    - Supposedly, Nikita Khrushchev, Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union 1953-1964, returned from a trip to the USA with a Bulova Accutron 214, the world’s first electronic watch, & asked Soviet engineers to produce a similar watch. Production began at the 2MWF a few years later. It is estimated that about 1000 watches were made, mostly distributed in the government and military.
    - Not presently working.
    - See also number 1285, 1302 & 1406 for other examples of this watch & movement.
    0852 Poljot 1st Moscow Watch Factory 1980s? P2450
    quartz
    - - quartz movement.
    - Ex collection Dieter Brunow.
    one night I dreamed I was locked in my fathers watch, with Ptolemy and twenty one ruby stars mounted on spheres and the primum mobile coiled and gleaming to the end of space and the notched spheres eating each other's rinds to the last tooth of time and the case closed - John Ciardi ...

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    ID Photo Dial ID Factory Date Caliber Serial Comment
    0898 Slava 2nd Moscow Watch Factory 1990s quartzmovement appears to be a variant of 2356 - - Ex Collection Dieter Brunow.
    0901 Slava 2nd Moscow Watch Factory 1980s 3056.A
    quartz
    - - Ex Collection Dieter Brunow.
    0907 Slava 2nd Moscow Watch Factory late 1980s-early 1990s 3056.A
    quartz
    447379
    (on caseback)
    - Ex collection Dieter Brunow.
    0918 Slava 2nd Moscow Watch Factory 1990s 2356
    quartz
    104700
    (on caseback)
    - Ex collection Dieter Brunow.
    1020 Chaika Uglich Watch Factory 1970s 3050
    (quartz)
    163571
    (on caseback)
    - Ex collection Dieter Brunow.
    1126 Raketa Petrodworzowy Watch Factory 1980s 2356
    (quartz)
    - - Unusual 3-piece case, held together with screws.
    - Ex collection Dieter Brunow
    1171 Luch

    (Lutsch)
    Minsk Watch Factory 1970s 3055
    (18 jewels)
    - - One of the first Soviet electromechanical watches.
    - Balance wheel drive system regulated by quartz oscillator.
    - See also No. 0395.
    - Caseback inscribed.
    - Ex collection Dieter Brunow.
    1200 Raketa Petrodworzowy Watch Factory 1980s 2356
    (7 jewels)
    quartz
    - - 1-piece rubber strap integral to case.
    1249 Luch

    (Lutsch)
    Minsk Watch Factory 1970s 3055
    (18 jewels)
    - - One of the first Soviet electromechanical watches.
    - Balance wheel drive system regulated by quartz oscillator.
    - See also Nos. 0395 & 1171.
    - This watch is in full working condition.
    1285 Slava
    Transistor
    2nd Moscow Watch Factory 1974-1975 0874 3721 -Exact copy of the Bulova Accutron 214, the world's first electric 'tuning fork' watch, introduced in 1960 (precedes quartz watches).
    - Extremely rare.
    - According to a 1st Moscow Watch Factory employee I recently interviewed, this caliber was pirated from Bulova using reverse engineering in an act of patent infringement.
    - Supposedly, Nikita Khrushchev, Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union 1953-1964, returned from a trip to the USA with a Bulova accutron 214, the world’s first electronic watch, & asked Soviet engineers to produce a similar watch. Production began at the 2MWF a few years later. It is estimated that about 1000 watches were made, mostly distributed in the government and military.
    - Not presently working.
    - See also number 0622, 1302 & 1406 for other examples of this watch and movement.
    one night I dreamed I was locked in my fathers watch, with Ptolemy and twenty one ruby stars mounted on spheres and the primum mobile coiled and gleaming to the end of space and the notched spheres eating each other's rinds to the last tooth of time and the case closed - John Ciardi ...

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    ID Photo Dial ID Factory Date Caliber Serial Comment
    1302 Slava
    Transistor
    2nd Moscow Watch Factory 1974-1975 A derivation of original non-date
    0874
    022941 - This is a never before published Soviet transistor movement with a date window complication.
    - Extremely rare. Only 1 other example of this caliber is known to exist.
    - The original Soviet movement, without the date complication, from which this movement was derived was a copy of the Accutron 214 electric 'tuning fork' watch introduced in 1960 by Bulova (precedes quartz watches).
    - Soviet production records indicate that a maximum of 1100 pieces of this 'date window' caliber were authorized to be produced (see scan); it is unknown how many were actually manufactured.
    - Case with integral bracelet.
    - Movement not working.
    - Date established by central planning committee order records (see scan).
    - My good friend Lars in Sweden has written about this piece: "Your Slava Transistor with the date complication must actually be a Russian developed movement, originating from the Bulova 214 design. Bulova also continued the development and later introduced the caliber 218 with a day-date complication, but it's quite different from the one you present here. So the movement in your watch must be uniquely Russian."
    - A photo of a Bulova 218 movement is included with the images for this watch.
    - According to a 1st Moscow Watch Factory employee I recently interviewed in Moscow, the original Accutron caliber was pirated by the 2nd Moscow Watch Factory from the Bulova movement using reverse engineering in an act of patent infringement.
    - Supposedly, Nikita Khrushchev, Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union 1953-1964, returned from a trip to the USA with a Bulova Accutron 214, the world’s first electronic watch, & asked Soviet engineers to produce a similar watch. Production began at the 2MWF a few years later. It is estimated that about 1000 watches containing the basic caliber were made, mostly distributed in the government and military.
    - The collection also contains several examples of the ‘basic’ Slava Transistor, including one timepiece that is still functioning, (Nos. 0622, 1285, 1406).
    1346 Luch Minsk Watch Factory mid 1970s 3045
    (1 jewels)

    Electro-mechanical movement
    021309 - Battery-operated 
electro-mechanical movement, with oscillating balance wheel.
    - With transistor switching; the next generation Luch 3055 movement employed quartztechnology.
    - Derived from the Junghans 600 Ato-Chron.
    - An early factory-produced Soviet electro-mechanical watch.
    - Watch is working.
    - Very rare.
    - See also No. 1540, a 2nd Moscow Watch Factory 'Electric' made in 1960.
    1406 Slava
    Transistor
    2nd Moscow Watch Factory Late 1960s 0874 15792 -Exact copy of the Bulova Accutron 214, the world's first electric 'tuning fork' watch, introduced in 1960 (precedes quartz watches).
    - In WORKING CONDITION; the only functional example I have seen.
    - Extremely rare.
    - According to a 1st Moscow Watch Factory employee I recently interviewed, this caliber was pirated from Bulova using reverse engineering in an act of patent infringement.
    - Supposedly, Nikita Khrushchev, Secretary General of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union 1953-1964, returned from a trip to the USA with a Bulova Accutron 214, the world’s first electronic watch, & asked Soviet engineers to produce a similar watch. Production began at the 2MWF a few years later. It is estimated that about 1000 watches were made, mostly distributed in the government and military.
    - See video at:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3EVbnrLgY
    - There are a total of 3 pieces of this caliber in the collection; the other 2 are not functioning, Nos. 0622 & 1285. The collection also contains another version of the Slava transistor watch with a date window complication, one of only two known, No. 1302.
    1441 Transistor

    1st Moscow Watch Factory
    Kirov
    NII Chasprom
    (Science Institute of the Watch Industry)

    w/mechanical components from
    1st Moscow Watch Factory
    Ca. 1960 or before Engineering Bench Prototype of

    9 MX
    67 - Engineering prototype for a transistorized chronometer with a contactless electromagnetic balance drive.
    - Extremely rare; the only piece of its kind known to exist.
    - Generates electric impulses every 0.25 sec. Average daily variation + - 0.2 seconds.
    - This chronometer seems to represent an advanced prototype of an extremely accurate timepiece called 9MX that was under development for the military by NII Chasprom (Science Institute of the Watch Industry) in the late 1950s. It was scheduled in the 5-year plan for production at the 1st Moscow Watch Factory in 1963. However it was never manufactured because of reliability problems with the battery power source & because of the astronomical cost of the units. Apparently only a few engineering prototypes (including this one) were produced for development work & evaluation. The project was eventually cancelled by the military.
    - This movement was previously known only from a general description of the technology that appeared in the Soviet journal ‘Izmeritel’naya Teknika’ in January 1963. The article describes the technology as consisting of:
    “an electromechanical escapement regulator which produces current pulses, & a hands mechanism which controls these pulses. The escapement regulator comprises a solid bimetallic balance.”
    “The chronometer amplifier uses a mass-produced junction germanium transistor P26B in a common emitter circuit. The circuit produces two similar rectangular current pulses for one oscillation of the balance, thus generating a pulse repetition of 4 Hz.”
    “The hands mechanism consists of a moving coil relay with an internal magnet & is provided with a ratchet mechanism which converts the reciprocating movement of the relay coil into a rotating movement of the gears.”
    - Includes a transformer to power the unit from standard 220V electrical current.
    1463 Electronika 5 Integral Elektronika Factory

    Minsk
    late 1970s - 1980s 8309
    LCD
    Digital
    188571 (?) - An LCD digital watch.
    one night I dreamed I was locked in my fathers watch, with Ptolemy and twenty one ruby stars mounted on spheres and the primum mobile coiled and gleaming to the end of space and the notched spheres eating each other's rinds to the last tooth of time and the case closed - John Ciardi ...

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    529 - Probably
    NII Chasprom - Science Institute of the Watch Industry
    Moscow
    mid 1950s Unnamed prototype - - Early Proof of Concept Chronometer with constant torque barrel fitted with a progressive electrical motor winding mechanism to ensure maximum stability of power delivered to the free-sprung balance fitted with cylindrical hairspring.
    - Extremely rare. A one-of-a-kind piece. Certainly the only piece of its kind in existence.
    - Extremely innovative & unorthodox approach to movement design; a completely unique design.
    - Movement contains many improvised & hand-made parts, some of which are hand-numbered.
    - See explanation of how the mechanism works in attached jpeg scan.
    Probably developed at NII Chasprom - Science Institute of the Watch Industry - in Moscow.
    - Several lines of evidence point to this piece being made in the mid 1950s.
    - Balance cock & escapement wheel counter pivot taken from a 13-20YM military aircraft chronometer.
    - Dial taken from a 6MX marine chronometer; discoloration on the reserve indicator subdial may be from glue used to affix a cover over the hole.
    - Clock in hand-modified bowl with screw-on cover stands 91mm high.
    - A swiss horological expert has written about this piece: "this is the most peculiar thing ever in a Barrel and this is one of the most HIGHLY unusual and dare I say unorthodox mechanisms in horological history (let alone its Russian branch!). It deserves a full study of its own..." (See scan with photos for entire comment.)
    - Because of danger to electronic components this clock has not been tested to see if it is still functioning.
    - See record number 1556 for a very rare and unusual electromechanical naval chronometer that also employs an electrical mainspring winding mechanism.
    - See record number 1441 for a prototype of a 9MX transistorized chronometer from the same institute.
    1531 Slava
    quartz
    2nd Moscow Watch Factory 24 December 1985 2356
    quartz
    - - With box & papers.
    - Not in working condition because of battery corrosion.
    1540 2nd Moscow Watch Factory

    Electric
    2nd Moscow Watch Factory 1959-1960 114ChN
    (12 jewels)
    06330 - Extremely rare. Only 2 or 3 dozen pieces known.
    - A very early electromechanical watch.
    - This movement and model was already on offer for export in the 1960 Mashpriborintorg catalog & in shops in Moscow by 1962.
    - It is not a tuning fork or transistor watch. It utilizes a 'magneto-electric' technology powered by a small 1.5 volt battery.
    - Original 1960 Soviet-produced battery is preserved.
    - IN WORKING CONDITION.
    - The design for this watch seems to be derived from the pioneering Epperlein 100 - 500 series of electric watches & Hamilton 500 electric watches produced in the late 1950s. Soviet engineers have copied elements from both & added some of their own unique features.
    - Scans of an early Russian newspaper report & the Mashpriborintorg catalog entry can be seen in the photo section.
    1549 Buletronic Buletronic
    Pravets, Bulgaria
    Ca. 1975 M10
    quartz
    19753
    (on case back)
    - The M10 LED quartz movement is the first digital movement produced by this factory.
    - Almost certainly reverse engineered in Bulgaria from the Soviet Electronika quartz watch.
    - This watch is working, but does not keep accurate time.
    - A gift from good friend Ilia Iliev.
    1550 Buletronic Buletronic
    Pravets, Bulgaria
    Ca. 1975 M10
    quartz
    14423
    (on case back)
    - The M10 LED quartz movement is the first digital movement produced by this factory.
    - Almost certainly reverse engineered in Bulgaria from the Soviet Electronika quartz watch.
    - Not presently working.
    - A gift from good friend Ilia Iliev.
    ID Photo Dial ID Factory Date Caliber Serial Comment
    1551 Electronika Factory of the Research Institute 'Pulsar'
    Moscow
    July 1989 1-10 06388
    (on passport paper)
    - Desk version of the Electronika LCD digital quartz watch with 'programmable alarm'.
    - Very rare. This is the only desk version of an Electronika I have ever seen.
    - With box & papers.
    - Passport section of instruction sheet is scanned in this record.
    - A gift from good friend Ilia Iliev.
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    Fantastic job lads just what we need . Thanks for taking the time. DW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DJW GB View Post
    Fantastic job lads just what we need . Thanks for taking the time. DW.

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