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    Flieger thoughts

    Been musing on fliegers, thanks to a couple of recent posts

    Please add your thoughts
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    My first Ďseriousí watch was a Poljot Aviator

    The very first version of this watch was a replica of the Fortis Flieger, and caused a lawsuit as Fortis defended their IP

    I first saw the Aviator I (my model) in flying magazines of the 90s, and bought mine about 7 years ago

    It is very legible, with great lume, and the modern font and orange second hand lift it from being Ďjust another fliegerí


    Inspired by a review on WUS, I then bought a Fortis Pilot Pro, which I soon sold

    I found the additional 5 minute markings unnecessary, and the overall more refined finish than the Aviator didnít sit so well with the toolish vibe, for me
    The big killer though, was the flat lugs: more faithful to the original design, but making it sit awkwardly high on my wrist


    I also knowingly bought this franken to affordably try out a B dial
    And found it too cluttered for me :-)
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    Flieger thoughts

    So thatís my flieger history, and Iím interested to hear yours:
    whether itís a style thatís grown on you, or youíve always loved or loathed

    Personally the Ďauthenticityí cult mystifies me, with pronouncements about size, riveted straps and the like (those forum folk with collections of several apparently identical fliegers :-)

    And I share Razaís queasiness about the veneration of the original 5 flieger brands

    Iíd like to take away the design positives and look to a future not afraid to innovate and develop future watches

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    This Laco, with the ETA movement, is a planned purchase, probably four years down the road.

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    Once in awhile you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hayday View Post
    This Laco, with the ETA movement, is a planned purchase, probably four years down the road.

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    Nice
    What speaks to you about this particular model? And the B dial?
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    My first was the Archimede chronograph, and for the $$, it had amazing fit and finish. I compared it to a Stowa and the Archimede was much better, and the Stowa owner concurred.

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    Recently, I purchased a Tourby and that was even better, again, comparing the fit and finish to a friends IWC, and both of us thought it equal, but the Tourby obviously costs way less.

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    Bottom line, and IMHO, those are the two to aim for at different price points.

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    I'd love a LACO...in 39mm.

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    I wouldnít look beyond a Stowa - and twice, I havenít. JŲrg Schauer was the person who brought the watch out of history (before IWC) and that adds depth and interest for me.

    As Iíve said elsewhere, I have no problem with a watch based on that of a German pilot. Had I met him, I would probably have had no problem with the pilot either, unless he started to espouse the doctrine of his government. These are functional objects not emblems of an ideology. Theyíre in the domain of watchmaking, as a Messerschmitt is in the domain of aircraft design.

    And how come nobodyís much bothered about the Panerai Radiomir? No, I donít get the queasiness at all. Itís like a misfiring allergic reaction.

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    I'm fond of my Stowa LE. Simple, legible, great lume, perfect size for me (40mm x 10.2mm). I don't really care about pure authenticity, I just like the design in a practical size.

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    I wonder if people consider the Glycine Airman as a Flieger? Or the Rolex GMT for that matter? Is it specifically limited to WWII Type A or B dials? My father was in the Air Force in the 1950s, and was a private pilot for many years. He preferred a Glycine-licensed quartz Falcon "Combat" with 24 hour dial. (Photo on a different computer - I'll upload it later.)

    I have only the Stowa Ikarus for a purist flieger, and it's hardly purist with its grey dial. I find "perfect and pure" fliegers to be a bit boring. I have had a few and sold them all. (I can also find pictures of those, eventually.)

    As for the association with Nazis in WWII, that's a very problematic topic. What about Volkswagon or Porche? Werner von Braun working for NASA? So many difficult transitions. When Nomos helped revive the watch industry in Glashutte, I imagine they had a wealth of transition stories from the elders working under Soviet-dominated GUB, rebuilt after all their good machines were trucked off to Moscow or Donbass. It's clear that many companies benefit from war, on either side of the front. I try to imagine the human stories of those individuals just trying to survive while the empires rotate around them.

    Ikarus and Airman (not purist Fliegers, I realize)



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